Well since that we have so much high tech bombs that are laser guided to pinpoint accuracy then innocent causilties will be kept to a minimum. We will lose the most innocent people though whenever they retaliate with terroistic attacks.
im for it, yes innocent people will die but there really isn't another option for us to do, if he won't disarm theres obviously a reason he isn't disarming. its like that one saying or whatever... would you kill a baby to save 100 lives?.. its basically that but on a larger scale. we are thinking of the big picture.
There will not be minimal causilties beacause saddam put civilans around his military. it's going to be hard to get at him with out taking out his military and inafect civilans will die.
Its rather a difficult question for me. I can't really answer yes or no. I see it from a number of views. I am concerned that the Arab community will be highly upset over the actions as well as the rest of the world [a large percentage of which appears to be against this]. On the other hand, Saddam has been side-stepping the weapon's inspectors and thumbing his nose at the UN for years. Either way, I am still torn on the issue.
If we look at a historical case, we can look at Hitler. Most of the world was unwilling to do anything about him. They kept appeasing him by giving him what he wanted in an effort to avoid war. There were few who saw through his motives/had backbone enough to stand up to him. Churchill was one of those people who understood and saw through Hitler's deception. No one else would listen to him when he tried to warn them and we all know the eventual result.
Having said that, we can also show that the Hitler comparison is highly inaccurate. The Germany that Hitler recieved was in one of the world's worst depressions, however he was able to turn the country aroudn and make a decent economy. This newly rebuilt economy was fueled by his military buildup and research. Going into World War II, Germany had the most advanced weapons of the time, effective tactics, and a powerful army. Saddam has none of this. His weapons are mostly antiquated and his soldiers poorly trained.
I'm not really sure what any of this had to do with anything. I guess I was just being long-winded as per usual. I just find this war unjust while at the same time unable to condemn it. I suppose it all comes down to the fact that I don't know enough about it to really be able to pass judgement.
I think my greatest concern is what the rest of the world thinks. I don't want to see the rest of the world condemning us because we were the aggressor. At the same time, I have the greatest respect for Gen. George Patton. Were Patton alive today and still a general, he would drive his tanks through Baghdad and run over anything in his path, collateral damage be damned. America has lost some of the fighting spirit that surrounded a man like Patton.
Oh well, I've digressed too much.. I'm done.
Nice essay Scectre...I just think that if we didn't stop a sadistic man like Saddam then if would just keep building more biological and nuclear weapons to target Americans and other countries. He must be stopped.
i concur tanis. They say he has his people nearly brainwashe, they believe hes doing the best thing for them when in turn he apparently cares very little about his people. camping out with civilians... thats ridiculous. look at his kids too. one is basically insane and he's like the head of the iraqi newspaper or somthin like that...
first of all, hello tanis. and, my stance on this situation is that i am for it. because saddam is a horrible person, testing weapons on his own people etc. and i could go into the religion thing here....the Islamic religion is based on 5(6) pillars, 1. confession and faith. 2. pray 5 times a day facing the holy city of Mecca 3. fast during the month of Ramadan 4. zakat- charity, rich give to poor. 5. hajj- pilgrimage to mecca. YET there is another pillar that is not very well known. 6. Jihad- Holy War for Allah. over time, arabians have distorted their religion from what it used to be. any form of terrorism against nations such as the US, prime example being September 11th, it is for the Holy War.and the religion is what makes arabians so violent towards Christians and Jews....leading me to another point of exactly why palestine and israel are constantly fighting. but i wont get into it. the main reason(i believe) that many arabs hate america is because the aid we gave the Jewish people claiming israel....and there is much much more i can go and ramble about, and correct me if im wrong, this is how i interpret it. if someone would like to explain why Israel and the Arab community hate each other, please do. i dont feel like typing anymore .
If Saddam is stopped maybe the Iraqi people will have an improved quality of life and not be subjected to a forced way of thinking. He has the Iraqi people in such fear that they will do anything he asks. That is why alot of the soldiers surrender without a fight. Did you know that any woman that speaks poorly of Saddam is publicly raped at his word. The rappist are on his payroll and even have a license for it. Now thats some shiznet.
The Arab people and the Israel's conflict is from when Abraham choose Jacob (the off spring of the Isreal people) over the illegitic son of hagar (the offspring of the Arab people)
yup, and then it got crazier and crazier from there, jews driven out by barbarians etc etc, then the holocaust, then they had to find a homeland...etc etc....britain and america chose israel and jerusalem, drove the arabs out w/ much resistance...and so on, that is a very brief summary.
that tape of him speaking isn't even for sure real, more evidence leads to it being false, hopefully the bastard is already dead. i didn't mean real and false, i meant he could have made it in advance because he said nothing of the attacks or what was recently going on...
Well.. In the video he said todays date and everything. Sadam most likely isn't dead in my opinion.
I for one am for the war and back it 100 percent. War almost allways ahs civilian casualties. We told the Iraqi people if they don't want to die they should leave the country because if they stay they will most likely die. If they stay that means they support what is being done and are just as dangerous as Sadam himself. Sadam get's his power from the military and the people he rules over. Without his army and followers he is nothing.
But then again what do I know. I'm just an enlistee awaiting his ship date.
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Keta yes you did tell them to leave the country they would do that if they were able to. Saddam has the borders surrounded with troops noone is allowed out or in.
are the people sitting around the military **** really casualities. waht seperates them from the soldiers? training? they are involved in the war and woudl prolly use agression against us forces so in my poinion they are not causalities. they are too actively involved. im sure they could leave the military premesis if they wanted they choose not to tho.
Another thing. Have you been watching the news Hades? I've been watching almost non stop for the past 2 days. Also, since when did I tell the Iraqi people anything? I didn't tell them to leave. I didn't tell them to support a dictatorship. I didn't make them do anything. I'm just a bystander at the moment just like you.
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top are u retarded, u want the leader of your country to die. . .what makes u this dumb, you are the worst person ever, u are terrible at life. i hope george w bush sees ur message and has the ss come to your house and eat your brain out of ur face. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY, FREAK!!
Oh look at how she listens
She says nothing of what she thinks
She just goes stumbling through her memories
Staring out on to Grey Street
I can see the point Top is making becouse it lookes like Geogre W is just trying to finish what his dad couldn't. And I get this fealing with Bush that he just wants to show what the US is capable of.
On the other hand Sadam doesn't give a F about any UN-resolution that was made and the UN didn't do sh... (all the resolution where something like: Do this or else... but the "or else" part was never executed.)
But the real reason of this war we will never know and probably couldn't comprehend.
As for the TV coverage you should be carefull what to believe because you only hear one side of the story. It could be propaganda. (also used by Hitler to get his people behind him in the war)
Anyway war is no good, but sometimes you are forced in to it.
The real question is what will happend to Iraq after the war? Because foreign interferrence isn't always good. Look at Afghanistan, the US first helped the Taliban to get the control over Afghanistan, 10-15 years later the US forces them down again, so what was the use of giving them control in the first place?
Lets just hope the war ends soon and that it won't escalate.
"Showing physical strenght is showing mental weakness"
Im sorry, but people like you anger me greatly. you dont even know what you're talking about. why dont u step back and UNDERSTAND what is going on here, and maybe read the previous posts and stop being so damn biased b/c u dont like George W. Bush. he is the freaking president of the United States and he has perfect reason to attack Saddam and his regime. Our country has every right to protect it's people from obvious harm. And Saddam Hussein is a threat to our nation, his chemical/biological weapons are a threat to the whole freaking world, as well is his support for terrorism. AND by the way, YES George W. Bush IS finishing what his dad started because THERE WAS NEVER A TREATY JUST A CEASE FIRE and it would be broken if needed, and it has. this isnt a new war, it's a continuation of the gulf war. And if you think that the news is brainwashing us, that is BS and so is the fact that you're comparing George W. Bush to Hitler. America is the most successful nation in the world and i do believe THAT gives us a responsablity to keep the world safe, as well as ourselves. and my last point. THIS IS NOT FOR THE OIL AND NEITHER WAS THE GULF WAR. THIS IS A WAR AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THE FILTHY REGIME HE CREATED. dont even think of rationalizing your reasonings. you need to think before you speak.
Wow... such passion. I would reply, but I am still half-drunk and somewhat tired. Thus, my long reply necessary to express my opinion would be a bad idea.
Ok If Bush wants too kill thousands of people to get 2 or 3persons who he prolly never will get, I think that's insane. Bush doesn't suspect Saddam to have chemical weapons else the US would never put 180k troops close to the boarder of Iraq. I don't know what kind of propaganda they show you in the US but I think a war has always two sides and I hope it's over soon and it turns out well, and I hope I'm wrong.......
Have you read anything that I have written or anyone else has written for that matter?
What is Bush supposed to do Top? Sit at bay hoping Iraq will disarm? No. Bush gave them a chance. They did not disarm.
In response to Saddam's serpent like actions Bush is sending in the few Americans that actually WANT to do something for the nation.
You speak as if those soldiers were forced to be there. They weren't forced to to anything they are volounteers just like myself.
You speak of propoganda. The same news is being played all over the world. Be it American Broadcasting or be it BBC. Apparently we must be getting the same propoganda as you, but someone must be interpreting it differently.
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Did anyone mention that Bush has to do what clinton did not? He was too busy with Monica...That came to press the same week that Iraq stopped the inspections. The White House decided the people would think Clinton was covering up the scandle with attacking Iraq. So he just left it to Bush.
ah....President Clinton...in my opinion, one of the worst Presidents yet. even though he 'Boosted the economy' or whatever...he also forced israel to let go it's political prisoners, one being Mohammed Atta. He was prisoner for blowing up a bus in Israel around 1986. And he gave thanks to America for letting him free by flying an airplane into Tower 1 of the World Trade Center. *sigh*
So Bush cannot get what Clinton got?
So he goes after his orgasm in another way?
And for the rest I am just against the war, and Bush wanted it too much to my opinion, and maybe when the same would happen with another president in charge of the U.S. there wouldn't be so much resitance against what is happening now.
Im for the war to kill saddam but if the US kills saddam but still decides to stay in Iraq for 10 more years after the war is over using "the weapons of mass destruction" if there are any as their excuse then i know that they got into this war for the oil.
no they didnt. if they really wanted the oil enough to go to war over it wtf wouldnt they just take over the oil fields instead of buying it. this not only would give them access to the oil but they would earn $ off of it and wouldnt have to deal with the iraqi government......is this starting to sound liek a good idea to anyone else
Bungle they cant just stroll right into iraq and say hey were gonna take over your oil field if you dont like kiss our asses because too bad. If they did that every american around the world would have a grave dug for him/her. You dont understand how politics work.
Admin: Bungle said... "no they didnt. if they really wanted the oil enough to go to war over it wtf wouldnt they just take over the oil fields instead of buying it. this not only would give them access to the oil but they would earn $ off of it and wouldnt have to deal with the iraqi government......is this starting to sound liek a good idea to anyone else"
i understand how politics work. i dont think you understand how anything works. The united states government wouldnt spend 90 BILLION dollars on iraqi oil. we have oil in alaska that we could mine if needed but we dont to protect wildlife and the environment up there. Im pretty damn sure that we wouldnt not only spend that money but we wouldnt risk bad foreign affairs over the iraqi oil. but i do know that we could take over those oil fields for ourselves and we wouldnt all be dead. who would kill america? would china or russia or germany go to war with us cause we took them over????? no i think not. i mean really, they wouldnt. and i was just joking about the taking over their oil which is why i put the winking smiley at then end. so you obviously know nothing of politics and you have no common sence.
bungle: dont u mean... "drill for oil"...... u misspelled "sense" and also.... we cant drill in alaska... stupid world wildlife organizations... i think were gonna save the oil till the middle east runs out then become a monopoly =D last thing.... if EVERYONE in the world like russia germany and china allied and tried to take over the US... they could.... especially if they thot we were acting too much like a bully and start pushin everyone around.... thats also the point of having the UN... to keep it so nobody gets too out of hand.... and if we left the un.... say goodbye to our asses
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Dude your president is the biggest dumbass ive ever seen what does he think hes gonna accomplish by this war huh? Ill tell he think that by spend 280 billion dollars showering iraq with missles to get ride of a familiy. He think by doing that hes going to rid terrorism. I say fuckin idiot because when have you ever heard of an iraqi terrorising a place in all of history? No where cause they have common sense they know that killing a bunch of citzens is not gonna accomplish anything because its the politicians their after. By killing Osama and Saddam Bush will make even more enemies. Bush think that noone will stand up to him and now hes try to start something with the North Koreans well this a different matter he wont be able to do **** with the North Koreans because hes not dealing with chemical/biological weapons which btw Bush knows that iraq has non or he wouldnt have sent hundreds of thousands of ground troops through the border of iraq, with the Koreans is nuclear weapons.
I have nothing against the americans but i think that they should assassainate their own president and elect a new one before he starts World War 3.
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wait.... north korea?!?!?!? since when did they come in?
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bush.... that flamer.... u shoulda quit at osama... at least then u had most of the world on ur side
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i never said america couldnt be taken over i said that it woulndt be over oil fields smartass.
oh and fiery fenix thanks for trying to correct my typing but you spelt thot wrong and what you did is known as ambushing its when you look for weaknesses so you can distort or gain an advantage to waht the speaker says. it is me oriented and most often associated when people are losing the arguement and going to the defensive side. i just corrected your speech to show you waht kind of a fucknut you are.
but really if we did leave the un....you really thing all those countries would ally up and go against us? i think not. we would still have allies and there would still be the un around to stop those things from getting out of hand liek you said right???
and is all that you think about yourself? has it ever occured to you that many peopel in iraq want and need saddam out of power just to live. what is more unjust. us killing some evil leaders and powerful outlawed weapons with minimal casualities or saddam killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and having weapons of mass destrucion to do them with. and were by the boarder with full chemical gear. i dont think that if the president KNEW there were no chemical or bio weapons they would have approved the budget for the suits. and i am 100% sure that if we absolutely needed we coudl drill in alaska. its the government that makes the laws and the government can change them. whos to stop them?? and about the monopoly.. that wouldnt happen russia has billions of gallons of undrilled oil. they cant get to it as of now but im sure if the price of oil rose enough they would find a way.
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