Well since that we have so much high tech bombs that are laser guided to pinpoint accuracy then innocent causilties will be kept to a minimum. We will lose the most innocent people though whenever they retaliate with terroistic attacks.
im for it, yes innocent people will die but there really isn't another option for us to do, if he won't disarm theres obviously a reason he isn't disarming. its like that one saying or whatever... would you kill a baby to save 100 lives?.. its basically that but on a larger scale. we are thinking of the big picture.
There will not be minimal causilties beacause saddam put civilans around his military. it's going to be hard to get at him with out taking out his military and inafect civilans will die.
Its rather a difficult question for me. I can't really answer yes or no. I see it from a number of views. I am concerned that the Arab community will be highly upset over the actions as well as the rest of the world [a large percentage of which appears to be against this]. On the other hand, Saddam has been side-stepping the weapon's inspectors and thumbing his nose at the UN for years. Either way, I am still torn on the issue.
If we look at a historical case, we can look at Hitler. Most of the world was unwilling to do anything about him. They kept appeasing him by giving him what he wanted in an effort to avoid war. There were few who saw through his motives/had backbone enough to stand up to him. Churchill was one of those people who understood and saw through Hitler's deception. No one else would listen to him when he tried to warn them and we all know the eventual result.
Having said that, we can also show that the Hitler comparison is highly inaccurate. The Germany that Hitler recieved was in one of the world's worst depressions, however he was able to turn the country aroudn and make a decent economy. This newly rebuilt economy was fueled by his military buildup and research. Going into World War II, Germany had the most advanced weapons of the time, effective tactics, and a powerful army. Saddam has none of this. His weapons are mostly antiquated and his soldiers poorly trained.
I'm not really sure what any of this had to do with anything. I guess I was just being long-winded as per usual. I just find this war unjust while at the same time unable to condemn it. I suppose it all comes down to the fact that I don't know enough about it to really be able to pass judgement.
I think my greatest concern is what the rest of the world thinks. I don't want to see the rest of the world condemning us because we were the aggressor. At the same time, I have the greatest respect for Gen. George Patton. Were Patton alive today and still a general, he would drive his tanks through Baghdad and run over anything in his path, collateral damage be damned. America has lost some of the fighting spirit that surrounded a man like Patton.
Oh well, I've digressed too much.. I'm done.
Nice essay Scectre...I just think that if we didn't stop a sadistic man like Saddam then if would just keep building more biological and nuclear weapons to target Americans and other countries. He must be stopped.
i concur tanis. They say he has his people nearly brainwashe, they believe hes doing the best thing for them when in turn he apparently cares very little about his people. camping out with civilians... thats ridiculous. look at his kids too. one is basically insane and he's like the head of the iraqi newspaper or somthin like that...
first of all, hello tanis. and, my stance on this situation is that i am for it. because saddam is a horrible person, testing weapons on his own people etc. and i could go into the religion thing here....the Islamic religion is based on 5(6) pillars, 1. confession and faith. 2. pray 5 times a day facing the holy city of Mecca 3. fast during the month of Ramadan 4. zakat- charity, rich give to poor. 5. hajj- pilgrimage to mecca. YET there is another pillar that is not very well known. 6. Jihad- Holy War for Allah. over time, arabians have distorted their religion from what it used to be. any form of terrorism against nations such as the US, prime example being September 11th, it is for the Holy War.and the religion is what makes arabians so violent towards Christians and Jews....leading me to another point of exactly why palestine and israel are constantly fighting. but i wont get into it. the main reason(i believe) that many arabs hate america is because the aid we gave the Jewish people claiming israel....and there is much much more i can go and ramble about, and correct me if im wrong, this is how i interpret it. if someone would like to explain why Israel and the Arab community hate each other, please do. i dont feel like typing anymore .
If Saddam is stopped maybe the Iraqi people will have an improved quality of life and not be subjected to a forced way of thinking. He has the Iraqi people in such fear that they will do anything he asks. That is why alot of the soldiers surrender without a fight. Did you know that any woman that speaks poorly of Saddam is publicly raped at his word. The rappist are on his payroll and even have a license for it. Now thats some shiznet.
The Arab people and the Israel's conflict is from when Abraham choose Jacob (the off spring of the Isreal people) over the illegitic son of hagar (the offspring of the Arab people)
yup, and then it got crazier and crazier from there, jews driven out by barbarians etc etc, then the holocaust, then they had to find a homeland...etc etc....britain and america chose israel and jerusalem, drove the arabs out w/ much resistance...and so on, that is a very brief summary.
that tape of him speaking isn't even for sure real, more evidence leads to it being false, hopefully the bastard is already dead. i didn't mean real and false, i meant he could have made it in advance because he said nothing of the attacks or what was recently going on...
Well.. In the video he said todays date and everything. Sadam most likely isn't dead in my opinion.
I for one am for the war and back it 100 percent. War almost allways ahs civilian casualties. We told the Iraqi people if they don't want to die they should leave the country because if they stay they will most likely die. If they stay that means they support what is being done and are just as dangerous as Sadam himself. Sadam get's his power from the military and the people he rules over. Without his army and followers he is nothing.
But then again what do I know. I'm just an enlistee awaiting his ship date.
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Keta yes you did tell them to leave the country they would do that if they were able to. Saddam has the borders surrounded with troops noone is allowed out or in.
are the people sitting around the military **** really casualities. waht seperates them from the soldiers? training? they are involved in the war and woudl prolly use agression against us forces so in my poinion they are not causalities. they are too actively involved. im sure they could leave the military premesis if they wanted they choose not to tho.
Another thing. Have you been watching the news Hades? I've been watching almost non stop for the past 2 days. Also, since when did I tell the Iraqi people anything? I didn't tell them to leave. I didn't tell them to support a dictatorship. I didn't make them do anything. I'm just a bystander at the moment just like you.
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top are u retarded, u want the leader of your country to die. . .what makes u this dumb, you are the worst person ever, u are terrible at life. i hope george w bush sees ur message and has the ss come to your house and eat your brain out of ur face. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY, FREAK!!
Oh look at how she listens
She says nothing of what she thinks
She just goes stumbling through her memories
Staring out on to Grey Street
I can see the point Top is making becouse it lookes like Geogre W is just trying to finish what his dad couldn't. And I get this fealing with Bush that he just wants to show what the US is capable of.
On the other hand Sadam doesn't give a F about any UN-resolution that was made and the UN didn't do sh... (all the resolution where something like: Do this or else... but the "or else" part was never executed.)
But the real reason of this war we will never know and probably couldn't comprehend.
As for the TV coverage you should be carefull what to believe because you only hear one side of the story. It could be propaganda. (also used by Hitler to get his people behind him in the war)
Anyway war is no good, but sometimes you are forced in to it.
The real question is what will happend to Iraq after the war? Because foreign interferrence isn't always good. Look at Afghanistan, the US first helped the Taliban to get the control over Afghanistan, 10-15 years later the US forces them down again, so what was the use of giving them control in the first place?
Lets just hope the war ends soon and that it won't escalate.
"Showing physical strenght is showing mental weakness"
Im sorry, but people like you anger me greatly. you dont even know what you're talking about. why dont u step back and UNDERSTAND what is going on here, and maybe read the previous posts and stop being so damn biased b/c u dont like George W. Bush. he is the freaking president of the United States and he has perfect reason to attack Saddam and his regime. Our country has every right to protect it's people from obvious harm. And Saddam Hussein is a threat to our nation, his chemical/biological weapons are a threat to the whole freaking world, as well is his support for terrorism. AND by the way, YES George W. Bush IS finishing what his dad started because THERE WAS NEVER A TREATY JUST A CEASE FIRE and it would be broken if needed, and it has. this isnt a new war, it's a continuation of the gulf war. And if you think that the news is brainwashing us, that is BS and so is the fact that you're comparing George W. Bush to Hitler. America is the most successful nation in the world and i do believe THAT gives us a responsablity to keep the world safe, as well as ourselves. and my last point. THIS IS NOT FOR THE OIL AND NEITHER WAS THE GULF WAR. THIS IS A WAR AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THE FILTHY REGIME HE CREATED. dont even think of rationalizing your reasonings. you need to think before you speak.
Wow... such passion. I would reply, but I am still half-drunk and somewhat tired. Thus, my long reply necessary to express my opinion would be a bad idea.
Ok If Bush wants too kill thousands of people to get 2 or 3persons who he prolly never will get, I think that's insane. Bush doesn't suspect Saddam to have chemical weapons else the US would never put 180k troops close to the boarder of Iraq. I don't know what kind of propaganda they show you in the US but I think a war has always two sides and I hope it's over soon and it turns out well, and I hope I'm wrong.......
Have you read anything that I have written or anyone else has written for that matter?
What is Bush supposed to do Top? Sit at bay hoping Iraq will disarm? No. Bush gave them a chance. They did not disarm.
In response to Saddam's serpent like actions Bush is sending in the few Americans that actually WANT to do something for the nation.
You speak as if those soldiers were forced to be there. They weren't forced to to anything they are volounteers just like myself.
You speak of propoganda. The same news is being played all over the world. Be it American Broadcasting or be it BBC. Apparently we must be getting the same propoganda as you, but someone must be interpreting it differently.
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Did anyone mention that Bush has to do what clinton did not? He was too busy with Monica...That came to press the same week that Iraq stopped the inspections. The White House decided the people would think Clinton was covering up the scandle with attacking Iraq. So he just left it to Bush.
ah....President Clinton...in my opinion, one of the worst Presidents yet. even though he 'Boosted the economy' or whatever...he also forced israel to let go it's political prisoners, one being Mohammed Atta. He was prisoner for blowing up a bus in Israel around 1986. And he gave thanks to America for letting him free by flying an airplane into Tower 1 of the World Trade Center. *sigh*
So Bush cannot get what Clinton got?
So he goes after his orgasm in another way?
And for the rest I am just against the war, and Bush wanted it too much to my opinion, and maybe when the same would happen with another president in charge of the U.S. there wouldn't be so much resitance against what is happening now.
Im for the war to kill saddam but if the US kills saddam but still decides to stay in Iraq for 10 more years after the war is over using "the weapons of mass destruction" if there are any as their excuse then i know that they got into this war for the oil.
no they didnt. if they really wanted the oil enough to go to war over it wtf wouldnt they just take over the oil fields instead of buying it. this not only would give them access to the oil but they would earn $ off of it and wouldnt have to deal with the iraqi government......is this starting to sound liek a good idea to anyone else
Bungle they cant just stroll right into iraq and say hey were gonna take over your oil field if you dont like kiss our asses because too bad. If they did that every american around the world would have a grave dug for him/her. You dont understand how politics work.
Admin: Bungle said... "no they didnt. if they really wanted the oil enough to go to war over it wtf wouldnt they just take over the oil fields instead of buying it. this not only would give them access to the oil but they would earn $ off of it and wouldnt have to deal with the iraqi government......is this starting to sound liek a good idea to anyone else"
i understand how politics work. i dont think you understand how anything works. The united states government wouldnt spend 90 BILLION dollars on iraqi oil. we have oil in alaska that we could mine if needed but we dont to protect wildlife and the environment up there. Im pretty damn sure that we wouldnt not only spend that money but we wouldnt risk bad foreign affairs over the iraqi oil. but i do know that we could take over those oil fields for ourselves and we wouldnt all be dead. who would kill america? would china or russia or germany go to war with us cause we took them over????? no i think not. i mean really, they wouldnt. and i was just joking about the taking over their oil which is why i put the winking smiley at then end. so you obviously know nothing of politics and you have no common sence.
bungle: dont u mean... "drill for oil"...... u misspelled "sense" and also.... we cant drill in alaska... stupid world wildlife organizations... i think were gonna save the oil till the middle east runs out then become a monopoly =D last thing.... if EVERYONE in the world like russia germany and china allied and tried to take over the US... they could.... especially if they thot we were acting too much like a bully and start pushin everyone around.... thats also the point of having the UN... to keep it so nobody gets too out of hand.... and if we left the un.... say goodbye to our asses
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Dude your president is the biggest dumbass ive ever seen what does he think hes gonna accomplish by this war huh? Ill tell he think that by spend 280 billion dollars showering iraq with missles to get ride of a familiy. He think by doing that hes going to rid terrorism. I say fuckin idiot because when have you ever heard of an iraqi terrorising a place in all of history? No where cause they have common sense they know that killing a bunch of citzens is not gonna accomplish anything because its the politicians their after. By killing Osama and Saddam Bush will make even more enemies. Bush think that noone will stand up to him and now hes try to start something with the North Koreans well this a different matter he wont be able to do **** with the North Koreans because hes not dealing with chemical/biological weapons which btw Bush knows that iraq has non or he wouldnt have sent hundreds of thousands of ground troops through the border of iraq, with the Koreans is nuclear weapons.
I have nothing against the americans but i think that they should assassainate their own president and elect a new one before he starts World War 3.
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wait.... north korea?!?!?!? since when did they come in?
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bush.... that flamer.... u shoulda quit at osama... at least then u had most of the world on ur side
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i never said america couldnt be taken over i said that it woulndt be over oil fields smartass.
oh and fiery fenix thanks for trying to correct my typing but you spelt thot wrong and what you did is known as ambushing its when you look for weaknesses so you can distort or gain an advantage to waht the speaker says. it is me oriented and most often associated when people are losing the arguement and going to the defensive side. i just corrected your speech to show you waht kind of a fucknut you are.
but really if we did leave the un....you really thing all those countries would ally up and go against us? i think not. we would still have allies and there would still be the un around to stop those things from getting out of hand liek you said right???
and is all that you think about yourself? has it ever occured to you that many peopel in iraq want and need saddam out of power just to live. what is more unjust. us killing some evil leaders and powerful outlawed weapons with minimal casualities or saddam killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and having weapons of mass destrucion to do them with. and were by the boarder with full chemical gear. i dont think that if the president KNEW there were no chemical or bio weapons they would have approved the budget for the suits. and i am 100% sure that if we absolutely needed we coudl drill in alaska. its the government that makes the laws and the government can change them. whos to stop them?? and about the monopoly.. that wouldnt happen russia has billions of gallons of undrilled oil. they cant get to it as of now but im sure if the price of oil rose enough they would find a way.
"has it ever occured to you that many peopel in iraq want and need saddam out of power just to live. what is more unjust. us killing some evil leaders and powerful outlawed weapons with minimal casualities or saddam killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and having weapons of mass destrucion to do them with. "
Bungle minimal casualties i dont think so. Sending 40 Tomahawk missles and 1000 cruise missles into Baghdad the most heavily populated area in iraq isnt gonna kill minimum casualties.
peope are already paying a 1.50 for a 20oz bottle of water whats to stop the "water stations" to charge 5.00$ a gallon for the pure water that somehow is better and runs better through your engine. hehe
bungle: i really could care less about the oil situation, i was jokin about the monopoly thing (notice the smile) and i really couldnt care less about errors, it just seemed that u cared bcuz of ur post about admin, and i know i misspelled THOUGHT, sorry but i dont feel like typing every letter of a word.... but im sure u never reffered to YOU as u...... of course youre perfect and im not... im gonna sit here and not reply to whatever kind of a rebuttal u feel like making. (i also hope youre not taking this seriously.... cuz it would be a shame if someone were to care enough to get that mad about the posting about a completely different topic in a message board for a game.... yea also i kinda am expecting you to attack me.... just because that would prolly make me mad (which it would) so dont think that attacking me would be an ambush. i also have nothing against you bungle...
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haha since evil is the 1 spot....
wait i know this.... er.... hes #2???
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Hades...there isn't going to be hardly any innocent causualities in Bagdad because look at how many bombs we have hit them with and they haven't even lost their electricity yet. We know what we are doing. I say keep up the good work Bush.
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if the missiles are sattelite guided why is it that instead of hitting iraq it hit iran? Was it a typo error of US soldier?
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'you're the ghost of christmas past right? that is correct. ok well, you know it's february right? i am a robot. what are you stupid? ILL SEE YOU IN DECEMBER, TOMORROW'
because the iraq army out smarted the american but lighting their oil wells on fire they make it almost impossible for the americans to attack with their laser/satelite guided missles because the smoke makes the satelites useless. BTW im just guessing cause CNN was kicked out dont know whats going on right now.
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That isn't totally true hades. That black smoke doesn't block our laser guided missles. If you watch the news the military has stated that the Satolites can go through the smoke.. Making it stupid for them to burn it.
no the oil made it almost impossible in the gulf war the new gps guided ones can go right through the smoke and firey no im not gonna attack you but i never said i was perfect and hades: there are minimal casualities. ther are less casualaties than there would be if sadam were in power and plus many many of the citizens have left the city. they say they coudl fly a tommahawk missle into the 3rd window in the second story of s building. tahts accurate enough for me to minimize casualities
if that's accurate why is the missile hit iran? that's a big difference if it hit the second window on the 3rd story. must be a typo error. maybe the they have type the iraq as iran and just press enter without reviewing the spelling....hehehe
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I dont know cause i was just watching the news and well 200 people just died in this last strike so say there are 5 strikes a day on average 200 people die in each strike on average and say the war is gonna go on for a month. so
5*30=150
that's an awful equation. and i heard on the radio tonight that most of those "Civilians" were of 'military age' so im assuming that you are forced into the military at a certain age in Iraq? (i dont know, im curious as to whether this is true or not). and not every bombing will kill 200 people. and we wont bomb 5 times EVERY day.
who says bush wont go crazy and start ww3? hes done some crazy **** the past year....
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.......no, i highly doubt he will start world war III. rather, why/how would he do it, considering the rest of the world is just waiting for us to finish up our business in Iraq now....
Dragon i said on average today they rung the warning bell five times which mean 5 strikes. yes 200 people did die today well at least so far and to correct you actually most of the people who died are kids if you watch other news channels other than CNN you will see the dead kids in the iraqi hospitals they showed this girl with the top part of her skull missing so you can see her brain.
*sigh* ONCE AGAIN, they were TOLD to leave the damn country before we started to bomb. and i dont like innocent people being killed either. gah, it's just something that isnt meant to happen, but it does. It's war, people are killed, it happens. it is all for the better.
terrorists....? the united states army/government isnt a terrorist group...but if you looked at it like....for example the Russian army/govt told me to leave america(saying that the russian army was fantastically better than the american army) i would. but if terrorists said so....i dont know, i have confidence in my country to protect me from harm. i dont see how iraqis see that same confidence after the Gulf war etc. sorry if i say anything offensive or incorrect tonight, im having the worst night ever, hence the posting at 4:16 AM my time. gah i cant even think straight, i hope my post makes sense.
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>sorry if i say anything offensive or incorrect tonight, im having the worst night ever
Nope, you say everything correctly from your point of view, someone else is right from their point of view, etc. I mean everyone is free to express their opinion, and if others do not agree with it, it does not mean it is incorrect. Everyone has a right for their opinion. As long as we constructively argue, it's cool.
can we have another thread for this one. its getting too long. and my internet connection is so slow i need to wait for 2 minutes for this page to load...i know its my fault i should switch to dsl. so nevermind....
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FieryFenyx what has Bush done that has been crazy like you said cause I sure don't see anything wrong with the way he has ran the country. I think Saddam is sick enough to kill women and kids to take pictures of it so he can say that we did it to get more people on his side. Oh and the oil fires were completely useless because the dumbarses lit it up when the wind was blowing to the East, which it still is, and is blowing all the smoke to Iran.
he just wants to beat his dad at whos a better president and he shoulda stopped at osama, but now cuz hes made so many threats against terrorism america is gonna have to kill every terrorist that will ever live bcuz of his speech... i mean once saddams gone whe'll just find a new middle-east country to pick on.... (is afghanistan middle east?) o well just to be correct...."new middle-east or west asian country"
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Tanis:
>I think Saddam is sick enough to kill women and kids to
>take pictures of it so he can say that we did it to get
>more people on his side.
Do you seriously believe what you say? It's a war, and even though it may sound unbelievable to you, the missiles did kill innocent civilians.
I saw americans here crying because they had their friends, Iraqi friends, killed in Baghdad. I know many americans and many non-americans here, but I don't remember any of them approve this war.
It may be easy to judge when you are there watching it over CNN, but when you see a person getting a call to be informed his friend/relative died yesterday in the attack, you can't really see any good side of this military strike.
Let's not divide now people into some national groups as if all americans are against all iraqis and vice versa, that's not true, look at a broader picture of the effects of this war...
dragon yes they might have been told to leave the country BUT as you might know noone in iraq has any money to leave go to Jordan or Iran also iraq has a population of 7 million people 6 million live in baghdad you can expect them to leave the one wih some money tried to but that make something like 0.05% of the population.
Tanis also what you see over CNN is all biased they dont show how many iraqi civilians are killed everyday they will only show the things that are Pro bush and Pro american. I was watching the news on a different channel yesterday and well what CNN is saying is all bullshit they never took over UMM Qasr or Basrah they are still fighing for it they only tell you that they took over it to play mind games. They also dont show the amount of dead american and british troops there are to make you think that american is gonna win this war for sure.
Back to the mind games. Say the americans did take over UMM Qasr the iraqi soldiers at other bases might choose to surrender because if the americans can take over a base 10 times as powerful as their base then theres no point fighting.
Interception of communcations is very important in this war and thats what the americans have been doing try to trick the iraqi army into believeing that their losing this war to make them think about surrendering.
The Iraqi people are losing this war. 90% of the Americans who have been killed has been by us of all people. I can't understand why we are having so many screw-ups at the moment. Like that one American who threw 3 grenades into his fellow commrades tents, killed 1 injured 13, or the American Patriot missle that shot down a British helicopter that was helping us, of the over-shot Tomahawk Cruise Missle that woke up Iran. I just know that if this war succeeds in taking out Saddam so that the Iraqis can start a new leadership of freedom than that would be worth some bloodshed to achieve. I do feel sorry for the innocent victims of this war, no matter what race, color, creed, nationality they are. War is an ugly thing but a necessary thing at that.
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iraq will definitely lose this conflict b/c its no contest. now before you say any crap about the vietnam war, you need to know the US lost that war b/c of popular support at home was lost (right now bush has 70% approval) and the vietnamese were devious bastards (and i would know, im vietnamese). the real question is why are we fighting and should we be fighting?
Why? The most correct and unbiased answer is really that we just don't like saddam and will do anything to kill him. he is a murderous fag who kills his own people. he does not fight for islam, he fights for greed. he most likely does have weapons of mass destruction b/c do you think he would really destroy them? suppose i had a gun pointed at someone who had a gun pointed at me. if he said 'put down your gun that could defend yourself' would I put down my gun? no! its why i hold power. same with saddam!
now as for the UN. you say that we shouldnt fight b/c there is no majority of countries supporting us. do you know how many votes are needed to pass a resolution???? 9. 9 out of 10 countries. 8 is a majority. we prolly couldve gotten 7 b/c the germans said they would follow the majority. and that was a majority. but u need 9. and the french and the chinese and the russians were going to veto. should they be allowed to dictate our foreign policy?
and people need to understand that peace is not an alternative to war. it is a result of war. the consequences of ignorance and inaction are far greater than war. more will die under saddams rule if allowed to continue then will ever be killed in a war.
bah! oil?! it is true that oil prices will go down if iraq is liberated. so maybe the US sees that as an advantage. now you see that is greedy. well that depends on who you say will be screwed over by this. the iraqis? no...of course not! they will experience increased jobs and riches from increased oil production. the wonders of capitalism......
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CB are you watching CNN if you are stop and watch a different news channel cause once again as i say CNN is biased you have no idea whats really going on you just believe what CNN tell you to.
i am against iraq's leader but the way it looks, i still think iraq will win.
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i heard of maddox's site from........ a friend and i dunno where he got it.... and i got this from "archon" or christian... whichever u guys know him by
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Well, only Fox had reported about the factory last I saw. And Fox a bunch of whores who would sell their souls for a shocking story. Then again, all the rest of the news networks would do the same thing. The media in general is made up of mostly whores. Same as lawyers.
And while I am not saying it doesnt exist, I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate. While they may have found A chemical factory, it isn't necessarily a chemical weapons factory. Unless they have a trained specialist with them to identify the factory as being for weapons or found barrels with "Mustard Gas" labels on the side, I can't imagine them being able to tell definatively so quickly.
Oh well, we'll see.
From CB in response to Hades: hades, no i dont watch CNN. plus all networks are biased, US and international. hades, i think ur the one whos not thinking for themself. you just latch on to any anti-bush rhetoric you can get a hold of. maybe its b/c ur gov't doesnt support the war or maybe b/c you want to be anti-US. so dont give me that crap about ignorance. and if you think i'm ignorant, lets see how informed you are. can you answer these questions w/o the internet. im sure as hell i can...who was the last pro-west muslim leader in the middle east? what was the first arab country to recognize israel as a country? anti-semitic means? position of women in muslim society after the death of mohammed? amount of say canada has in the UN security council? if you dont want to answer these, fine. but let it be known that i was not the ignorant one.
let's just settle this in the battlefield of zaraz...
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who was the last pro-west muslim leader in the middle east?
I would have to say King Hussien of Jordan.
what was the first arab country to recognize israel as a country?
Jordan, to add to my answer Israel is all bullshit seriously who the **** gave them the right to take over palestine and call it Israel? The US thats who thats the reason all arabs hate the US because they support Israel and they provide them with high tech weapons to fight the Arabs.
anti-semitic means?
I dont know.
position of women in muslim society after the death of mohammed?
Women position in Society was always equal to men's its just when leaders like Osama Bin Laden came along and decided that they had no position in Society. And you idiots in the US believe that hes fighting in the name of Islam. You cant do that Islam doesnt say go kill people for no reason at all. The only time you can fight in the name of Islam is when someone is trying to wipe Islam out. Israel is an example i dont recognize israel i still call it palestine. And i know you'll come up with it was their land 2000 years ago so its rightfully theirs. Well think about this say The Native North Americans suddenly decided that they want their land back the US And Canada wouldnt give it to them because its not their right anymore.
amount of say canada has in the UN security council?
It really doesnt matter how much they have cause canada doesnt have an army.
No arabs are racist against Jews its the fact that they think they can stroll in with the US's help and take over palestine thats why arabs hate them. If they didnt kill palestinians for the past 50 years no arab would have anything against them.
i still dont want to hear anything against israel...this thread reveals racist in zaraz....and even without the US help i dont think arabs can wipe out israel....try it and you'll see.
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wtf your an idiot hades. the jewish people have no land to call their own b/c they have been driven out and been victim of horrible events, and you think it's a damn problem when we help them claim their rightful homeland?
How is it their rightful homeland? Yes the jews did live in palestine 2000 years ago but that was 2000 years ago. Its like the Natives reclaiming North America.
yeah they lived in ISRAEL, NOT PALESTINE 2000 years ago, and it's their rightful homeland because Jesus urged the purification of Jewish religion that would in turn, free ISRAEL and establish the kindom of God on earth. so yeah, that is why it is their rightful homeland, gosh. why dont u read up on your history before you start babbling about things you have no idea about.
As I recall, before the US stepped in and helped stop the Arabic attempt to forcefully remove Israel, the Israelis had nukes loaded on planes ready to use them. The source of those nukes [the US of course] is beside the point.. but, had the Arabic nations been "successful" in taking out the Israelis, they would also have quite a few of their cities turned into glass craters.
the israeli state was created by the UN. the arabs got mad and fought with the israelis in 1947 but were defeated. israel no longer (officially) has nukes. apparently hades doesnt know about arab claims of a pro-zionist conspiracy in the US.
truly, a large reason for US support for israel is that we feel sorry for them b/c of the holocaust. still a jewish state in the middle east should created, as should a palestinian state.
also the first arab nation to recognize israel was actually egypt, but soon after that leader of egypt was assassinated. anti-semitic is a misnomer. semites are jews AND arabs.
lol Dragon but im sorry what youve said is wrong. The Israelis changed so much of their religious history to make you believe that it is as you said "Jesus urged the purification of Jewish religion that would in turn, free ISRAEL and establish the kindom of God on earth." Kingdom of god??? first of all Palestine is not property of any religion because Jewdisim Christianity and Islam all started their so all that bullshit the Israelis have put into their history is just a way to make you believe that its their rightful homeland if you actually read and research about this stuff and not believe what your told you will get a better understanding i cant tell you everything over zaraz not that your gonna listen to me anyway.
Spectre if they had nuked the arabs the explosion would take them out too.
CB86 and i dont what you believe but today israel has maybe even more nukes than you US does they just say they dont. And one more thing after taking over Palestine and calling it israel what gives them the right to start moving into Lebanon and Syria too Huh? Doesnt that tell you something cause it should. I says that hey were here and and we arent going to be confined to this tiny piece of land even though there is only 20 million Jews. They plan to eventually take over the whole middle east offcourse they cant do it alone they need the US help. which brings us back to why the US wants to rid Iraq and Iran of their weapons. Israel will not try to expand if they know that Arab and Persian countries have the power to stop them at their tracks.
roflmao you retard, i got that from my world history AP book almost word for word, and u know what, i think im gonna go find some more books that say the same thing, u are so frickin retarded.
well said van, that hades seems not reading any books at all
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Dragon what wrong with you i already said the new books that you learn from in school all have altered histories because the US government only wants to teach you what they want you to know. Get access to thousand years old books and read those.
CB there is noway that they are going to be left alone if they dont leave Palestine. Maybe they can go take over another country. If they had and agreed to split Palestine into 2 instead of driving in with an army of tanks and just took over there maybe have been and agreement made. But since they did what they did they will never be left alone.
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keta your the one thats been brainwashed by your media to believe that Palestine is their rightful homeland. Thats why you think that its perfectly right to take it over just like that.
I never said it was right or wrong Hades. Your not making friends with your political views you must realize this and your not impressing anyone either. Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut. Especially when you have absolutely no idea what your talking about and have no room for understanding.
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holy jesus this was a long thread. Contraversial issue i see. (I think thats how you spell it) Anyway, there is no brainwashing goin on anywhere and this wasnt about isreal and palestine and what not. It was supposed to be about the war, and I think everyone should be for it. Only hippies and stubborn people with closed minds would be against it. You have to see the other side. Realize that we could all die if we would let saddam continue building weapons. We should have killed him in the last gulf war. I can see from the side of those against it, where war is bad and people will die. Of course they will, its war. But all wars are fought for a reason, and America doesn't just go fighting anyone and everyone, though some seem to think that. I cant believe that in the UK they had that huge protest or whatever. WTF is up with that, they are closer to the threat then we are and they want us to let saddam keep building bombs, and give him more chances. I say he has had enough time.
I think that hes not even in Iraq he prolly knew this was coming and serectly smuggled himself into a neighbouring country possibly Russia.
Keta i know but i dont think im making enemies either im just debating. And why do you think i have no idea what im talking about. I never say anything about anything that i have no idea about but i know alot about this subject.
Archon i dont believe Saddam meant to ever use the weapons he was developing against the US. I think he meant to use them against Israel. Cause thats the same reason he built the grand cannon it was aimed in the direction of Israel. And its not possible to fire a cannon from Iraq and hit the US.
ya know that the cannon was first being built by hitler and was gonna be used against england but his plans were always thwarted by enemy bombers. they would wait till it was near completion then destryo it all making them start from scratch again.
but im wondering when russia became a neighboring country or iraq. did i miss somethign in this war?
So, I've tried to read all this, and I'vegathered that Hades has no idea what the hell he's talking about... he showed that 100% by saying Iraq bordered Russia, I mean really. Where do I begin... hmm, well first of all the U.S. is going to win the war, maybe not as fast as we thought, but they will win. The only reason it's been slowed down is cuz the Iraqis are using cowardly Guerilla tactics like pretending to surrender and then attacking the troops when they get close enough. As for the Israel and Palestine thing, if I remember right, the UN made an Israeli state next to a Palestinian state for a place for all the Jewish people to go after they released them from the death camps of Germany. Palestine attacked Israel to get their land, but Isreal fought back and won the Palestine land, right? I'm just going off of history that I've had in the last couple years and history was never my strong subject. But getting back to the Iraq war. Why would anyone be against a war with Saddam Hussein? He is a madman and needs to be taken out. But not just him, his sons need to be dealt with as well. I was watching a thing on The Pulse tonight about Saddam Hussein's sons, with information given by people who were on the inside. They said that Saddam's eldest son Uday is even worse than Saddam. Saddam Hussein exposed his sons Uday and Qusay to torture and violence as children, so they think it's okay. Uday is said to like violence, he likes hurting people and has even been labeled a sociopath. Now they also said that Qusay isn't as bad as Uday in that he's not a sociopath, but he is as bas as Saddam Hussein and all three of them need to be taken out ASAP. That is all.
Uday is known as the Butchers Son however if Saddam were to die his other son would most likely be the one to come into power as Uday is slightly crippled from an assassination attempt. The last thing Saddam would want is a successor that appears weak.
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i dont like saddam or anyone who is against israel....but as i see it ...iraq might win the war.
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Why do you keep saying that Iraq might win the war. Do you have some information we don't...? And obviously you don't think 100% that Iraq is gonna win the war because you say Iraq MIGHT win the war... But that's okay because the coalition troops are going to win the war... it's just a matter of time.
Keta can i ask you a question? Hoe do you know my side of it isnt the truth maybe your the one thats wrong. We cant really tell today because there is so much confusion billions to listen to but noone to believe.
Drummer actually Iraq has a small border with Russia. Are you sure the US is going to win this war? I mean if they are so confident why are they sending another 120k soldiers to iraq to join the 250k that are already there? It should make you think. And as for the israel and palestine thing that you said. Yes the UN did establish a small nation for them but where did that piece of land come from? Who territory was it before that? It was Palestines and thats what started all this.
Ive noticed that yes the American soldier is the best trained soldier in the world. But on the ground during a battle when the soldier knows that his enemy is right around the corner he is the biggest pussy on the planet because once he sees the white in his enemies eyes he knows there is a possiblity hes gonna die. And its gonna happen in this war because the iraqi royal gaurds or whatever they call the are a bunch of scary ************.
dude i bet you anythign a US navy seal could take out 50 of those motherfuckers. we coudl easily win this war with about 10 us casualities. we are just being extra careful to be as humane and life saving as possible. exactly the opposite of iraq and thats a big disadvantage but it is one that amreica is willing to take for the better of the people.
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